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Post by nocturnalie on Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:36 am

is getting pushy in my head for attention.
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Post by sinistra_blache on Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:26 am

Oh what's his problem now.

Cry some more, Timmy. (Also stop using Jason's haircut.)
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Post by nocturnalie on Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:29 am

I think he's just jealous of how much we love Dick and Jay and Dami, snicker.
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Post by sinistra_blache on Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:36 am

Weeeeell. Tim did spend a short time in the Favorite Robin spot for me, but that kind of changed quickly enough. He's Bruce's favorite. Very Happy? Very Happy?
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Post by nocturnalie on Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:37 am

Until in some 'verses Jason comes along with blowjobs, anyway. Razz
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Post by sinistra_blache on Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:42 am

Aw, Bruce's shifting affection. Nooo, then Jason would be the blow-job giver and occasional lover type person. Tim will always be his favorite son, come on. He follows every order Bruce gives, he sees Bruce (and Dick) as these shining examples of man and hero. He got the best results in school, the press love him and he's doing great as a business man. And he's a tech genius. Best son. Also, Tim gets hugs from Bruce without having to beg for them.
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Post by nocturnalie on Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:44 am

Man. No wonder Jason and Damian have serious problems with him. Just the hug thing alone would send them over the top, but he's also perfect in like every other way.
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Post by sinistra_blache on Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:50 am

Basically! Dick likes him, though, because .... Tim is perfect? And looks at him like he's a god.
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Post by nocturnalie on Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:51 am

And he lets Dick be silly and cute with him.
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Post by sinistra_blache on Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:54 am

Too bad he doesn't let Dick cuddle. Tim only gets hugs from Bruce. And Kon and Bart and all his other Titans. BUT NO HUGS FROM DICK well, sometimes. Special occasions. But mostly Timmy's too busy brooding to give cuddles.
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Post by nocturnalie on Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:55 am

Well, Kon and Bart pretty much don't care if Tim'll let them give him hugs, they just go for it. Maybe Dick needs to just go for it, too.
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Post by sinistra_blache on Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:59 am

Dick's not in the business of getting denied cuddles. He's had enough of that from Bruce. He wouldn't exactly look to going to the family for cuddles, anyway. He knows better. Mostly he can get away with giving Tim noogies, though, and that's contact and all good. And he steals hugs from Damian - much to his displeasure. Dick respects Tim's decision to stay away from hugs until he's ready.
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Post by nocturnalie on Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:00 am

Tim will never be ready. It's a thing. He'll be tightly buttoned and straight laced 'til the day he dies, even--especially around people he loves.
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Post by sinistra_blache on Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:02 am

That is so healthy, Tim. So, so healthy. Can't even handle how healthy that is. Wow. Well done.
Steph'll have to come along and slap him out of that bullshit.
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Post by nocturnalie on Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:03 am

He will no doubt just pretend bewilderment until she's satisfied, then go right back to being uptight.
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Post by sinistra_blache on Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:08 am

Sigh. Tim. You cannot keep being uptight like this and then start moaning when no-one tries to be close to you. It's just not how it works. Gotta be some amount of give and take. Mostly give, in your case.
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Post by nocturnalie on Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:15 am

Well, Tim's pretty sure that he's just trying to be good enough for them. And that if they were really his friends, they'd like him whether he was uptight or not.
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Post by sinistra_blache on Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:27 am

They may like him, but that doesn't mean they like being around him all the time. He's self-absorbed, he's constantly distracted unless he's on some mission to save the world or something, he expects everyone to never have a problem with how and why he does things and he's rarely in a good mood because people don't act the way he wants them to. It's hard to be around sometimes.
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Post by nocturnalie on Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:33 am

pale ...he's just going to have to work harder to be good enough, then.
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Post by sinistra_blache on Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:41 am

Sigh, Tim. It's not about being good enough. Does he take a look at his friends and think "Yes, yes, they are GOOD ENOUGH to be my friends?"
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Post by nocturnalie on Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:43 am

No. But then, if his friends are walking around thinking all of that stuff about him, and not about how he tries to help them out whenever he can and how he's loyal to a fault and how hard he tries to be their friend, then clearly he's not working hard enough to be a friend.
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Post by sinistra_blache on Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:56 am

Nobody wants him to 'work hard to be a friend'. Nobody wants that. They want him to be happy, and they're always impressed with how hard he works for, well, /work/. But being friends is different. No-one's saying that it isn't work and there shouldn't be effort put in, but it shouldn't be treated like it's a chore. Which is how it seems.
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Post by nocturnalie on Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:59 am

He just doesn't understand why they don't like him. That's what makes it difficult. He's trying to be himself and be a friend and they still think all that terrible stuff about him, which makes him more irritated and uptight and makes it feel like work. There's only so many times he can offer to put aside his files to play video games and be told, 'No, clearly you're busy', before he's going to give up offering.
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Post by sinistra_blache on Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:28 pm

Never said that they didn't like him. This has to be made clear. They like him. That's why they want him to be happy and don't want to take him away from from he actually likes doing. Which is work. And they got to be friends while working, so maybe it's them who should be changing and not expecting so much from Tim. Maybe they should just wait until they're all working together to spend time with Tim without bothering him.
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Post by nocturnalie on Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:30 pm

Tim's not a freak; he likes hanging out and playing video games and eating pizza, too. He's just... usually doing work when they ask him to do those things with them. He would stop, if they gave him the chance to. He'd tell them if he didn't want to be bothered, if he was working on something that had to be finished quickly.
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Post by sinistra_blache on Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:45 pm

Maybe they all got real sick of being told that he doesn't want to be bothered.
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Post by nocturnalie on Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:47 pm

Maybe he got sick of watching them all go off without him after assuming he just wants to do work and be alone. Maybe he started telling them not to bother him so it's his fault he's alone, not them walking away.
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Post by sinistra_blache on Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:58 pm

That....makes no sense whatsoever, Tim. Or, it does, but it's incredibly silly and broken.
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Post by nocturnalie on Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:01 pm

Sad He is incredibly silly and broken, don't you know that by now.
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Post by sinistra_blache on Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:10 pm

At least he'll have a hover-y Bart or Dick at some point. Dick'll definitely poke him into activity, even if it's just sparring. Bart just likes being around him. Alfred will suggest he get some sleep at some point - and mention that his friends called, doesn't he remember, he said to tell them that he'll get back to them. Bruce, however, will just work beside Tim. Silently working.
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Post by nocturnalie on Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:31 pm

Tim is glad some people still want to be around him. Almost every time they ask him to do something, he will--unless he's working on a case about murderers or child-molesters, that kind of important thing that comes even before his own self. Sleep is not important, Alfred, tch. But he will take a break to call people.

...a large part of this is that he wants to be good enough for Bruce, I believe.
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Post by sinistra_blache on Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:43 pm

Somehow, I am less than surprised. All of the batboy problems stem from Bruce in some way or another. If this was ever addressed, though, by any of the family (apart from Damian) then he would be instantly understood. Look how much trouble Dick brought down on himself to prove that he's good enough for Bruce? Hell, look at Jason full stop. Tim has a chance to learn from their mistakes and not make every single second of his life about Bruce.
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Post by nocturnalie on Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:44 pm

But Bruce is the only one who doesn't mind when Tim gets too involved in the work and forgets to hang out. /whine
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Post by sinistra_blache on Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:52 pm

Do some investigating right now and repeat that sentence back to figure out what's wrong with it.
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Post by nocturnalie on Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:55 pm

Tim grumbles. He knows what's wrong with it. He's a workaholic selfish asshole who doesn't appreciate how much his friends are put out by him forgetting to hang out. He forgets about food and sleep while he's working, too, though! He forgets everything. He's not perfect, no matter how much the others may think he is.
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Post by sinistra_blache on Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:02 pm

That's not exactly what was meant by that, but it's a damn good start. Having him realise that he's not perfect, that he does these things to himself and the people he cares about, that's good. If he knows, why doesn't he do something about it?
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Post by nocturnalie on Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:03 pm

Because he likes saving people and investigating things (the family business)! He likes how important and useful it makes him feel. And working at the investigations or at Wayne Enterprises is how he maintains his resources. What is he supposed to do about it, just stop working? Set alarms to go off when he's worked too much and it's time for pizza with friends? He's tried that. He just ignores the alarms.
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Post by sinistra_blache on Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:09 pm

If the alarms don't work, because that's kind of an awesome idea, then maybe he should trust other people to tell him when he's getting dangerously distracted. They aren't trying to wreck his work, they're worried about him and they miss him. And Dick and the rest understand how important the work is, how important the Mission is. But that doesn't mean Tim's life has to take a backseat. No matter what Bruce says on the matter.
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Post by nocturnalie on Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:12 pm

Alfred and Dick and Bart are the only ones who come and try to drag him away, these days. And he usually goes with them! But no one else really bothers. He doesn't think they're trying to wreck his work. He just thinks that sometimes--when lives are at stake--the work is more important than sleeping or eating or hanging out.
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Post by sinistra_blache on Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:50 pm

He needs to be alive and sane in order to help anyone. He should learn to put himself first, sometimes. He should learn to unwind and eat and sleep.
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Post by nocturnalie on Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:50 pm

Then he needs to be taught.
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Post by sinistra_blache on Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:51 pm

That would be a lot easier if he didn't fight the lessons.
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Post by nocturnalie on Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:52 pm

It would be a lot easier if he knew they were lessons. And if he thought the person teaching him wasn't always pissed off that he had to be taught.
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Post by sinistra_blache on Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:08 am

Sometimes things can't be so easily categorised. It's just the way of life, Timmy. Sometimes people are going to get frustrated and unable to explain why to him. Surely he understands that?
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Post by nocturnalie on Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:38 am

Of course he does. But he thinks in this matter it should be easy to explain. "I'm frustrated at you because you forgot to call me", "I'm frustrated at you because you won't sleep and I'm worried about you", "I'm frustrated at you because I care about you".
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